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Data Lounge on Lydia Sherman

I was recently reading a thread on Data Lounge. They of course had very nice things to say about Lady Lydia Sherman which I wanted to share:
Comments: “What a bunch of douchebags!”
“Apparently, equality is an unknown concept to this judgemental bunch of loons.”
“Have you even read any of the articles at that site?! Mrs. Jennie Chancey and Lady Lydia and all the rest are Dominionists, who spew hatred and bigotry at every turn.”
“Most of the shit at this site is just scary, but some of the domestic related stuff cracks me the hell up, like Lady Lydia Speaks: Laundry With Love. It’s, as she puts it, a “dissertation on laundry.”
I guess the fact that at 32, I still wash my laundry “college student style,” everything together on cold, is yet another outgrowth of being a feminist, and not just because I’m too lazy to be bothered.”
“Sounds delicious mon cheries !!
We LADIES need to get out more often, and pick wildflowers, and run through fields of grass, and wade fully clothed into ponds, and… shit.
by: Miss Emily Howard, a LADY!”
“Can we just go back to barefoot and pregnant. Those we the good old days, when women were women.” by Arch .H.Bald
“Blech. Someone tell them that pairing a 4 dollar men’s tee-shirt with a shapeless tea length calico skirt and some white socks and Keds isn’t “dressing decently” by:Tinabina
“Many years ago in San Francisco, there was a satirical group that called itself “Ladies Against Women”. They parodied right-wing social politics, and were a sort of precursor to Mrs. Betty Bowers. And now, the real-life version has come into being.”

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Scorching notes at LAF – Part III

Ladies Against Feminism pretends to have a semblance of democracy by publishing the negative feedback they have received under one category called scorching rhetoric. If you read through these notes you will find that most of the arguments presented are quite valid. LAF of course doesn’t believe in publishing the critic’s name or location in case the letter turned out to be from Rev Billy Graham himself or some other well-known Christian! How embarrassing!
Even Christians seem to find it hard to reconcile themselves with the vituperic nonsense these women pour out.
Some of the Christian criticis of LAF say:
I am a young Christian woman, and I do NOT agree with everything you have posted on your site. What is so wrong with wanting something different from being a mother? I personally do not want children. Perhaps that will change one day, but not in the foreseeable future. I enjoy spending time with young men, albeit in platonic relationships, and don’t mind their occasional loud behavior. I enjoy sports. I have taken lessons in one sport, and watch another on a regular basis. There are a number of others that I would love to try my hand at. The comments you have posted on your website that pretty well says that women should be kept in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant, are disgusting to me. How dare you suggest that I can’t get a job outside of my home? While we’re at it, how dare you suggest a lot of the things you suggest… I am a strong, confident, intelligent young woman, and I will not stand for you bashing people like me. While I respect your decision to stay at home to be a mother, that is not for me. Is it so hard for you to accept that a woman can go out, have a job and have good, clean fun and still be a good Christian lady? Or are you just THAT narrow-minded? A little advice from a true lady: I think YOU ladies need a reality check, and soon. ~ Jean
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As women having equal rights, you are certainly allowed to have your opinion and broadcast that opinion however you choose. I also noticed you made a point of mentioning how the Bible encourages women to teach wisdom and kindness. That is fine. However, I hope you are aware that although the Bible may encourage this, women were denied the right to even so much as do that for centuries. If it weren’t for the fight for equality by people such as Susan B. Anthony or Alice Paul, you would not have the freedom and luxury of being able to “teach wisdom.” I am not for hardcore feminism but there’s nothing wrong with women being able to accomplish the same goals as men and live their lives however they see fit. Not every woman wants to stand barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, cooking dinner for her master (husband?) while chasing around 7 other brats (children?). As a married young woman, I choose to raise my children equally with my husband. I am allowed to pursue an education and he supports me so that I may prepare myself for any career I choose. He works full time yet we share in household chores and the raising of our children. If I feel like cooking him and the kids dinner, I do. If I don’t then he will cook or the kids may just have some cereal. That’s how life should be if someone wants it to be that way! ~ Ang

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Scorching notes at LAF – Part II

  

Ladies Against Feminism pretends to have a semblance of democracy by publishing the negative feedback they have received under one category called scorching rhetoric. If you read through these notes you will find that most of the arguments presented are quite valid.LAF of course doesn’t believe in publishing the critic’s name or location in case the letter turned out to be from Rev Billy Graham himself or some other well-known Christian! How embarrassing!

This person’s comments made a lot of sense:

While at first I thought the website a “gag” site…after reading through it, I was actually in shock… While I know there are ladies out there who are not on the feminism bandwagon, this was just one the the strangest things I’ve ever seen. 
You should thank the “feminists” who went before you, for without them, you’d not even have the voice to put up this website. Feminisim is not just for a few, it’s for all of us. 
Do you ladies vote at all??? 
Makes me wonder, for without them you’d still be under the heavy hand of the hubby. 
I’m glad, no EXUBERANT for the trials & tribulations of the women who worked hard, spoke up & made a difference for not only me, but my fellow women. 
While I agree with some of what you have on your site, I think some is a bit BACKWARD. Granted, this is just an opinion….but I for one wouldn’t want to go back to the Victorian era where women were hardly seen, if not never heard. 
Quiet women never make history, and well behaved gals dont make the history books. You should take a class in Women’s Studies… might learn that for without the fallen females of yesteryear, you’d not have the luxuries you like so much now. Or maybe you want to be submissive, demure and quiet, that is your choice. Thank the GODS I dont have to live like that.
~A Misbehaved & LOUD chick who can’t WAIT to make the history books. ~ Irish
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Your site is degrading to women everywhere. I know that you can’t force your opinions on others just for having a website, but your site really does make me sick to my stomach. 
Now, I’m not writing this comment to rant about your site without giving it a good read first. After reading several articles on your site, I have come to the conclusion that your site, is, at the very least, anti-feminist. 
How can you feel good about yourself while slaving over a hot oven all day, cleaning up what is most likely the mess that your adoring husband has left behind for you, not being caught dead in a pair of pants, and now… you won’t get a job because you shouldn’t compete with men in thier “god-given roles”? 
Are men (and the Bible) controling your life? 
Have you ever thought for yourself? (and when I say “think for yourself” I don’t mean “what kind of dinner should I cook for my husband?” or “what color dress will match with my apron?” Those don’t count) 
Is it so hard for men to get on thier knees and scrub the floors? 
for them to cook dinner for you? 
for them to clean up after themselves? 
I mean, since they are “so strong” are they too strong to do thier own laundry? 
Think about it. 
I’m not asking you to change, I can’t make you change, and I could care less if you do change, it’s your own choice, but I can say how I feel about this website and about everyone and anyone who supports it, and that is to accept that feminism is here to stay, like it or not, and that you are a part of it everyday, and don’t respond to me with that “we have myths about feminism in our FAQs” because I have read all of them; you have definitely proven how uneducated you are, but then again, if it weren’t for people like you, feminism would not exist and I would not have anything to stand up for or protest, so enjoy being a stay-at-home slave.
Love, Bambi

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Scorching notes at LAF – Part I

  

Ladies Against Feminism pretends to have a semblance of democracy by publishing the negative feedback they have received under one category called scorching rhetoric. If you read through these notes you will find that most of the arguments presented are quite valid.
LAF warns us: These are the negative feedback notes that have been sent to LAF in the past year or so. The only ones we’ve ommitted are those that contain nothing but expletives and therefore do not even constitute writing. [Warning: These notes really are inflammatory, often hateful, and sometimes slanderous. They are not for the faint of heart. They have not been edited or altered in any way, except to remove expletives. You can judge for yourself whether or not the writers have taken the time to actually read the articles on this site before sending feedback.]
 
I totally agreed with many of the view points presented. LAF of course doesn’t believe in publishing the critic’s name or location in case the letter turned out to be from Rev Billy Graham himself or some other well-known Christian! How embarrassing!

This person’s comments made a lot of sense:

I am placing my comments under “Scorching Rhetoric”, not because I am some “ranting feminist” as you might like to believe, but because I wish to fully support your critics. 
I sympathize with their intense revulsion. I regret that their comments reflect a bristling, yet justifiable anger that you probably find amusing. (It really is not funny). By contrast, I strive to “keep my cool.” I have studied people like you for years, and have become adept at keep cool. 
Yes, that includes studying everyone on the Religious Right from Reverend Fred Phelps (wife beater, child abuser), to Dr. Peter Ruckman, to Dr. Ian Paisley, to Reverend Charles Gleason who believes not only in spanking children, but wives as well. Gleason views such domestic discipline as a reflection of how your Jesus disciplines his church.
I have encountered vicious street preachers, all of whom share your views. 
That includes the unemployed, woman-hating Rev. Michael Woroniecki, who browbeat Andrea Yates until the mentally fragile, submissive housewife snapped and drowned her 5 children in a tub. 
It includes vicious preachers who scream WHORE at women in slacks on their way to work. 
It includes self-appointed Fundamentalists who publish tons of literature and websites urging men to “put women in their place.” That means rescind our vote. 
It includes rabid anti-abortion preachers who block clinics, using their submissive wives in their long dresses, pale faces, bulging bellies; screaming broods of 9 or 10 kids who regularly get whippings with the belt. 
That includes GROWN ADULT daughters not yet married to a man of their father’s choosing, who are forced to forego education/career, and remain under their religious father’s roof. Yes, it includes preachers who praised Rev. Paul Hill as their brave Christian hero, just like the saint Phinehas in the Old Testament. (Rev. Hill was recently executed for shooting a doctor in the back). 

Yes, ladies…… by now I am thoroughly familiar with you people! 
You no longer shock me. 
But you will always sadden me. 
Why? Because you are not inherently stupid. 
But you BEHAVE stupidly and are appallingly ungrateful for all that feminists have done for you.
 
By “feminist” I do not mean radical feminists. One needn’t agree with everything in modern feminism. Understandably, many object to Lesbian marriages, abortion on demand, etc. Still, Feminism should NOT be hated by you people, but appreciated!! I mean that !! Were it not for feminism, not one of us could vote, attend college, hold a decent job if we are forced to work to support ourselves. Feminists were jailed and some tortured, to get you your rights. Concerning work/careers, remember that work can be more than a necessity. With many woman nowadays, work is a JOY. It is a means by which we can use advanced education, brains, creativity, etc. Plus get respect from men as being intellectually and professional equal, if not superior. 
Plus no longer be at the mercy of some ARROGANT “man” who thinks women are only good for lying naked in bed to do their wifely duty. And push out babies like a ***** whelping her litters (let the children starve, as long as your “god” gets his human litters). Just look at Afghanistan, with its super religious Taliban. Women were imprisoned in their homes under the guise of “chastity”, “Muslim virtue”, etc. They were flogged, frequently beaten by religious husbands, sometimes even killed (often by the husband “accidentally” pushing the wife into a wood stove). Yet when Taliban fell, did you see TV footage of those brave, veiled women lining up to take the entrance exam to get into college? And doing so in sub-freezing weather!!! In ramshackle classrooms with no heat or running water. Desperate to get an education, to become doctors. They knew that in spite of the importance of homemaking, women DESPERATELY need more.They (we) need education and civil rights to survive in this mean-spiried world we live in.

Amen! I couldn’t have said it better!

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VegWeb.com on Ladies Against Feminism

I thought you all might be interested, seeing as how we rock discussions of gender and gender roles here on the V-dubs.  I’m really intrigued and confused by this.  I don’t understand why a woman would want to deny her own rights and status of equality in this way.  This is all quite foreign to me.
yabbitgirl says: Yes, there are some out there! Some who want to tie it in to their personal religious beliefs (most of whom have an attitude of wanting to feel “superior” to other women). Some who feel they’ve missed out on some kind of “romantic traditional” feminine role. (I’ve talk to some of this type who also mourn the passing of the corset and decolleté; item, they have never actually had to wear one.)  Some will say, half-jokingly, “Well if a man wants to keep me, I’m going to let him!”
Wotever.
KissMeKate says: OK, so I get the idea that some women like the more traditional way of life that existed for women before feminism arose.  Like, they find fulfillment in keeping house, raising a family, and assuming other traditionally female responsibilities.  Which is fine and great!  But isn’t feminism about women being free to choose how they live their lives?  Heck, I love corsets, and I love even more that I am not forced to wear one!  It’s not ANTI feminist to want to be a stay at home mother!  I feel like these women missed the boat on what feminism is about.  
The religious parts are a little more nebulous to me.  But the whole thing seems so narrow–it’s like, “God made men and God made women and they are different in x, y, and z ways, and they should act accordingly, and that’s the only way it should go.” 
hanashi says: Basically, from my understanding, this movement came about in retaliation to the “militant”/”chauvinistic” feminism…..you know the kinds who want to socially/emotionally/literally castrate the masculine/male entities that should cross their path. One extreme deserves another!!!  
yabbitgirl says :True, it’s all about the “pendulum effect.” When I first came to Europe about 25 yrs ago I ran across my first ultra-extreme feminists…the sort that made you feel they didn’t so much want to be equal with men as to replace them. As in, get rid of all the men.
hiimkelsi says: there are a couple different waves of feminism.  now i dont know which is which, but most of them, i believe, follows the choice route in different ways, but i think theres one wave of feminism that is less about choice and more about… power maybe?  this is something that i learned about in college when talking to one of my friends.  so i might not have it correctly, but i would think someone else on here could elaborate on the waves of feminism.
KissMeKate says: OK, I could see that. The man-hating part of feminism.   
Baypuppy says: yeah, but i don’t think post parts of feminism today has anything to do with these “ultra extreames”, esp now that “gender inequality” is a “won” battle.  
humboldt_honey says: We had a discussion about feminism a while back, and a lot of people here were quick to bash it.
Capture says: *Eerg* that is really awful! I’m not a “get on your soap box, bra burning feminist” or anything–but dang! hve respect for yourself and your gender! It’s all about global equality! I would get one of those shirts and put a big circle w/ a slash through it! *yikes*
Baypuppy says: huh, the only reason i know what fecundity is is because i have a background in family demography. who the hell else really uses that word?
surprisingly, these “anti feminist” shirts and the whatnot are, arguably, made possible by feminism. if you can make the CHOICE to stay home, damn, isn’t that a basic principle of feminism?
what are the big branches of militant/femanazis working today? the closest movement i can think of is maybe lesbian feminism, but that isn’t really where feminism is today. i think the “nostalgia” of the militant/lesbian feminist/separatists  movements really tainted later waves of feminism (second, third waves, eco, post/forth, humanism) so that feminist is an inaccurate blanket term used in pop culture that has lost a lot of its “supposed” meaning (i can’t say original meaning, since that was like suffrage and (surprisingly) some AR stuffs). don’t get me started about issues between GLBT and feminism. boy howdy that was an issue!
but it might explains how the “say feminist perspective on the first day of class and they will drop like mad” theory i use in my large enrollment courses works   i really don’t think most people have good grasp of what contemporary feminism is about.

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Crackpot website of the day: Ladies Against Feminism

 

At a recent discussion at Democratic Underground.com I saw the following comments.

Its always nice to know what the sane, secular world has to say about Ladies Against Feminism.
The dicussion was headed off as “Crackpot Website of the Day: 
“At first I thought this was a parody. Sadly, it isn’t.

For a look inside the mind of today’s Stepford Wife:


The comments that followed: 

Montauk6 saysWhat I resent is their use of works of my favorite painter, Bouguereau!
BrklynLiberal says: Immediately after the Lobotomy, you sign onto this website.Details included with the post-op instructions.
Lubernaut says: This one amused me…
“What could Christian homeschooling moms concerned with modesty have to do with an evil communist dictator from South America?”
funflower says: If you liked that one, try this….
Maestro says:  She’s effin nuts!She is so proud of being Christian I wonder if someone should tell her it is considered a proper noun and therefore needs to be capitalized.
madrchsod says: that`s what i thought also! i do see some mothers and their daughters dress like this..oh well to each his/her own.
neebob says:  It looks like Free Republic!I fully expect that if I clicked on something, I’d get an error and have to restart IE. That’s what always happens to me on FR.
MuseRider says: Enough to give me nightmares.I read a little and I can’t imagine ever being like that. I would make a lousy fundie wife.
Sandpiper says: I’m surprised they don’t have a section with Wife Beating Tips. For the menfolk. Just in case the little wifey gets all “uppity.”

Momgonepostal says: Whoa! Loved the fashion tips!

Also, did you see the article about mixing bowls? It basically talked about the virtues of bowls and wooden spoons over appliances like blenders and hand mixers. Good grief. Why do some people like life to be more difficult than it needs to be? It’s like, let’s keep those women busy in the kitchen with few appliances and making their own Little House of the Prarie dresses and homeschooling a big brood so they don’t have time to think about what else might be out there that might interest them. Sad.
Sandpiper says:  Forget taking women back to the 1950’s!These ladies are aiming for the 1850s. But the problem with this is the same as it’s always been: “How you gonna keep ’em on the farm after they’ve seen Par-ee?”
Unless you were raised a fundie, a life of servitude and second class citizenship just doesn’t sound that appealing.
Go figure.
Mongo says: Next month – toilet paper. Is it overated?
and the health benefits of corn cob hygeine
EFerrari says: Ladies against Feminism? What, they have a collective death wish?
Do I laugh or whaaaaaaaaaaa?
Nikia says: They either are masochists or assume all men are great! 
Sure it is great if they want to be virgins until they marry the Christian man of their dreams, keep their house spotless, and raise children while staying home and letting their husband be the leader. What happens if the man of her dreams doesn’t turn out to be such a nice guy though? What happens when he loses his job? What happens when he becomes sick or injured? 
Even if things work out just as they wanted, do they really think that this will work perfectly for all women.
1620rock says: A full quiver?? These people are nuts! And apparently they multiply like minks!
Now this is scary because they home school their spawn so as to insure their future ignorance.
mongo says: God will provide you with a good husband if you are rightous. Otherwise – it’s your own damn fault. Besides the only thing worse than a “bad” husband is BEING SINGLE
From the “especially for the unmarried” page:
The Desires of Your Heart
Our Holy God will give us our heart’s desires and bring our ways to pass, if we but delight, trust in, and commit ourselves to Him! Ah, but what a big “if” that is. Our foolish, sinful, fallen natures so want to have their own way that it is hard for us to even trust our lives to the loving hands of our heavenly Father.
Thoughts on Singleness
“Singleness.” Just the word can bring shudders and dread to a person’s heart–especially if she is unmarried.
Being Your Father’s Daughter
Just as a bride looks forward to being with her groom and delights to please him, the Bride of Christ (all Christians) should await the coming of Her Groom, which is Christ. While we are single, how can we best prepare ourselves to demonstrate to a skeptical world the beauty of marriage? By turning towards our father, giving him our heart, striving to please him and delighting in his company.
The Call to the High Places
“Lord! Why are all the girls my age falling in love and getting married (or so it feels), and I have no one? How can I survive this painful thing called singleness, especially when so many friends are getting married?” Every girl cries these words at some point; most of us must face them again…and again…and again. How do I best live this unasked-for life of singleness
A Merry Future Homemaker
People often ask me what I am doing now that I am finished with my formal academics. I happily reply, “Training to be the best wife, mother and homemaker I can be.” And what better way to be trained and prepared than to continue practicing those household skills that my mother has so carefully taught me—right here at home?
EFerrari says: Brought to you by Stepford Productions.
Have a nice day!

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Conception of Ladies Against Feminism by Lady Lydia

 


It says things like “Armed with a Bible, an Edwardian Apron Pattern and the booklet of Christian Modesty, the LAF are fighting for, or at least demurely crafting, a version of femaleness that probably only existed in pre-twentieth century romantic fiction.”


LAF’s website, which was no doubt embroidered one day when columnist Mrs. Stanley Sherman’s husband was calling on parishioners and her bairns were playing impetuous, but Godly, games, is adorned with the kind of treacly images that suggests it could be a parody.

A modest perusal of How to Get Back Home and Responsible Manhood reveals, however, that these ladies aren’t taking the piss.

Unsurprisingly, there are no pictures from olden times of over-worked females in factories, servants cleaning day and night for a pittance or destitute wives surrounded by hungry and grubby kids.

Like much of the retrogressive advice aimed at women, LAF is pure bourgeois fantasy and could be used as evidence that watching too many BBC costume dramas addles the brain.

It’s also unadulterated hogwash; imagine a site called Negroes Opposed to the Civil Rights Movement (NOCRM), with sections devoted to appropriate slave wear and tips on how to behave around your owner.

NOCRM recommends silver chains and a permanently bowed head so he knows who’s boss.”

I just love the line: “LAF is proof that too many BBC costume dramas addles the brain.”

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