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This article is one of those rare articles, in which Lady Lydia has permitted rude comments. Many a time this article gets deleted, but still if you search you might get it. Meanwhile, the current link to this article is here
Christian Feminist says:
It’s Christian feminist again. I decided to write one last time because I was absolutely appaled by your post on boys not whistling after women anymore, which you regret so. Dear “lady” Lydia ( by the way, did you know that only the daughters of British earls, marquesses and dukes are entitled to use the title Lady before their name?
something tells me you’re no aristocrat, so why call yourself that? a craving for titles? how pathethic..
by the way, I’m a real aristocrat, with family tree dating back to the XIV century, and with ancestors who held high positions at princely courts since the XVIIth century, but I don’t brag about that and I never use my title. In a democracy, titles are ridiculous )
A woman who desires to be whistled at is no lady. In my mind she is more likely a harlot. HOW DARE YOU criticize women who choose to dress according to modern fashion and don’t wear the long, baggy, loose and shapeles things you call ” feminine dress”? How dare you suggest that women invite assault and rape by the way they dress, and at the same time you regret men don’t whistle after women anymore? If any woman invites rape, it’s you with your twisted, perverse way of thinking. In my country, women are still whistled after. Everytime this happened to me I felt nothing but contempt for those pathethic men who used that way of gaining my attention. At the same time, I felt extremely unconfortable, like a piece of meat drooled after by hungry dogs. If you enjoy being whistled at, you enjoy tempting men to sin, you enjoy their lust. What a hypocrite you are, whit your rantings about modesty and femininity!
Lady Lydia Speaks:
Dear Romanian Lady,
Before Jennie Chancey and I formed the site “Ladies Against Feminism” (LAF), we and a number of other women belonged to an online group called “Victorian and Edwardian Ladies Society,” where one of the practices was to prefix your name with the word “lady”.
We had Lady Jennie, Lady Susan, Lady Lydia, and lady this or that–everyone addressed themselves as lady, to indicate a more mannerly and genteel way of life that we were trying to import. This trend spread, and now I still see it on many of their blogs, where they sign their names with the word “lady.”
It just means lady -like and doesn’t imply a title at all. There is no rule or law that says you must be royalty in order to have that word in front of your name.
In past centuries, almost all women were addressed as ladies, and it didn’t mean royalty. However,as many of us are Bible believers, we know that when we follow the teachings of Christ, we are daughters of the King, and can be princesses or ladies if we like.
Perhaps you would rather I call myself “Princess” instead of “lady.” It began as a tongue-in-cheek kind of joke, but the name stuck, and it goes so much better with Lydia.
You dont have to have official papers in order to use the word lady in front of your name. In the Victorian and Edwardian Ladies Society, we always used the word lady if we were members of that group.
When we formed the site LAF Jennie wanted me to have a column there dealing with some subjects I had sometimes posted on the Victorian and Edwardian Ladies Society, and so she called it “Lady Lydia Speaks” and the name stuck.
Ladies Against Feminism pretends to have a semblance of democracy by publishing the negative feedback they have received under one category called scorching rhetoric. If you read through these notes you will find that most of the arguments presented are quite valid.LAF of course doesn’t believe in publishing the critic’s name or location in case the letter turned out to be from Rev Billy Graham himself or some other well-known Christian! How embarrassing!
This person’s comments made a lot of sense:
While at first I thought the website a “gag” site…after reading through it, I was actually in shock… While I know there are ladies out there who are not on the feminism bandwagon, this was just one the the strangest things I’ve ever seen.
You should thank the “feminists” who went before you, for without them, you’d not even have the voice to put up this website. Feminisim is not just for a few, it’s for all of us.
Do you ladies vote at all???
Makes me wonder, for without them you’d still be under the heavy hand of the hubby.
I’m glad, no EXUBERANT for the trials & tribulations of the women who worked hard, spoke up & made a difference for not only me, but my fellow women.
While I agree with some of what you have on your site, I think some is a bit BACKWARD. Granted, this is just an opinion….but I for one wouldn’t want to go back to the Victorian era where women were hardly seen, if not never heard.
Quiet women never make history, and well behaved gals dont make the history books. You should take a class in Women’s Studies… might learn that for without the fallen females of yesteryear, you’d not have the luxuries you like so much now. Or maybe you want to be submissive, demure and quiet, that is your choice. Thank the GODS I dont have to live like that.
~A Misbehaved & LOUD chick who can’t WAIT to make the history books. ~ Irish
Your site is degrading to women everywhere. I know that you can’t force your opinions on others just for having a website, but your site really does make me sick to my stomach.
Now, I’m not writing this comment to rant about your site without giving it a good read first. After reading several articles on your site, I have come to the conclusion that your site, is, at the very least, anti-feminist.
How can you feel good about yourself while slaving over a hot oven all day, cleaning up what is most likely the mess that your adoring husband has left behind for you, not being caught dead in a pair of pants, and now… you won’t get a job because you shouldn’t compete with men in thier “god-given roles”?
Are men (and the Bible) controling your life?
Have you ever thought for yourself? (and when I say “think for yourself” I don’t mean “what kind of dinner should I cook for my husband?” or “what color dress will match with my apron?” Those don’t count)
Is it so hard for men to get on thier knees and scrub the floors?
for them to cook dinner for you?
for them to clean up after themselves?
I mean, since they are “so strong” are they too strong to do thier own laundry?
Think about it.
I’m not asking you to change, I can’t make you change, and I could care less if you do change, it’s your own choice, but I can say how I feel about this website and about everyone and anyone who supports it, and that is to accept that feminism is here to stay, like it or not, and that you are a part of it everyday, and don’t respond to me with that “we have myths about feminism in our FAQs” because I have read all of them; you have definitely proven how uneducated you are, but then again, if it weren’t for people like you, feminism would not exist and I would not have anything to stand up for or protest, so enjoy being a stay-at-home slave.
Ladies Against Feminism pretends to have a semblance of democracy by publishing the negative feedback they have received under one category called scorching rhetoric. If you read through these notes you will find that most of the arguments presented are quite valid.
LAF warns us: These are the negative feedback notes that have been sent to LAF in the past year or so. The only ones we’ve ommitted are those that contain nothing but expletives and therefore do not even constitute writing. [Warning: These notes really are inflammatory, often hateful, and sometimes slanderous. They are not for the faint of heart. They have not been edited or altered in any way, except to remove expletives. You can judge for yourself whether or not the writers have taken the time to actually read the articles on this site before sending feedback.]
I totally agreed with many of the view points presented. LAF of course doesn’t believe in publishing the critic’s name or location in case the letter turned out to be from Rev Billy Graham himself or some other well-known Christian! How embarrassing!
This person’s comments made a lot of sense:
I am placing my comments under “Scorching Rhetoric”, not because I am some “ranting feminist” as you might like to believe, but because I wish to fully support your critics.
I sympathize with their intense revulsion. I regret that their comments reflect a bristling, yet justifiable anger that you probably find amusing. (It really is not funny). By contrast, I strive to “keep my cool.” I have studied people like you for years, and have become adept at keep cool.
Yes, that includes studying everyone on the Religious Right from Reverend Fred Phelps (wife beater, child abuser), to Dr. Peter Ruckman, to Dr. Ian Paisley, to Reverend Charles Gleason who believes not only in spanking children, but wives as well. Gleason views such domestic discipline as a reflection of how your Jesus disciplines his church.
I have encountered vicious street preachers, all of whom share your views.
That includes the unemployed, woman-hating Rev. Michael Woroniecki, who browbeat Andrea Yates until the mentally fragile, submissive housewife snapped and drowned her 5 children in a tub.
It includes vicious preachers who scream WHORE at women in slacks on their way to work.
It includes self-appointed Fundamentalists who publish tons of literature and websites urging men to “put women in their place.” That means rescind our vote.
It includes rabid anti-abortion preachers who block clinics, using their submissive wives in their long dresses, pale faces, bulging bellies; screaming broods of 9 or 10 kids who regularly get whippings with the belt.
That includes GROWN ADULT daughters not yet married to a man of their father’s choosing, who are forced to forego education/career, and remain under their religious father’s roof. Yes, it includes preachers who praised Rev. Paul Hill as their brave Christian hero, just like the saint Phinehas in the Old Testament. (Rev. Hill was recently executed for shooting a doctor in the back).
Yes, ladies…… by now I am thoroughly familiar with you people!
You no longer shock me.
But you will always sadden me.
Why? Because you are not inherently stupid.
But you BEHAVE stupidly and are appallingly ungrateful for all that feminists have done for you.
By “feminist” I do not mean radical feminists. One needn’t agree with everything in modern feminism. Understandably, many object to Lesbian marriages, abortion on demand, etc. Still, Feminism should NOT be hated by you people, but appreciated!! I mean that !! Were it not for feminism, not one of us could vote, attend college, hold a decent job if we are forced to work to support ourselves. Feminists were jailed and some tortured, to get you your rights. Concerning work/careers, remember that work can be more than a necessity. With many woman nowadays, work is a JOY. It is a means by which we can use advanced education, brains, creativity, etc. Plus get respect from men as being intellectually and professional equal, if not superior.
Plus no longer be at the mercy of some ARROGANT “man” who thinks women are only good for lying naked in bed to do their wifely duty. And push out babies like a ***** whelping her litters (let the children starve, as long as your “god” gets his human litters). Just look at Afghanistan, with its super religious Taliban. Women were imprisoned in their homes under the guise of “chastity”, “Muslim virtue”, etc. They were flogged, frequently beaten by religious husbands, sometimes even killed (often by the husband “accidentally” pushing the wife into a wood stove). Yet when Taliban fell, did you see TV footage of those brave, veiled women lining up to take the entrance exam to get into college? And doing so in sub-freezing weather!!! In ramshackle classrooms with no heat or running water. Desperate to get an education, to become doctors. They knew that in spite of the importance of homemaking, women DESPERATELY need more.They (we) need education and civil rights to survive in this mean-spiried world we live in.
Amen! I couldn’t have said it better!
KissMeKate starts off the dicussion at VegWeb.com with:
I thought you all might be interested, seeing as how we rock discussions of gender and gender roles here on the V-dubs. I’m really intrigued and confused by this. I don’t understand why a woman would want to deny her own rights and status of equality in this way. This is all quite foreign to me.
yabbitgirl says: Yes, there are some out there! Some who want to tie it in to their personal religious beliefs (most of whom have an attitude of wanting to feel “superior” to other women). Some who feel they’ve missed out on some kind of “romantic traditional” feminine role. (I’ve talk to some of this type who also mourn the passing of the corset and decolleté; item, they have never actually had to wear one.) Some will say, half-jokingly, “Well if a man wants to keep me, I’m going to let him!”
KissMeKate says: OK, so I get the idea that some women like the more traditional way of life that existed for women before feminism arose. Like, they find fulfillment in keeping house, raising a family, and assuming other traditionally female responsibilities. Which is fine and great! But isn’t feminism about women being free to choose how they live their lives? Heck, I love corsets, and I love even more that I am not forced to wear one! It’s not ANTI feminist to want to be a stay at home mother! I feel like these women missed the boat on what feminism is about.
The religious parts are a little more nebulous to me. But the whole thing seems so narrow–it’s like, “God made men and God made women and they are different in x, y, and z ways, and they should act accordingly, and that’s the only way it should go.”
hanashi says: Basically, from my understanding, this movement came about in retaliation to the “militant”/”chauvinistic” feminism…..you know the kinds who want to socially/emotionally/literally castrate the masculine/male entities that should cross their path. One extreme deserves another!!!
yabbitgirl says :True, it’s all about the “pendulum effect.” When I first came to Europe about 25 yrs ago I ran across my first ultra-extreme feminists…the sort that made you feel they didn’t so much want to be equal with men as to replace them. As in, get rid of all the men.
hiimkelsi says: there are a couple different waves of feminism. now i dont know which is which, but most of them, i believe, follows the choice route in different ways, but i think theres one wave of feminism that is less about choice and more about… power maybe? this is something that i learned about in college when talking to one of my friends. so i might not have it correctly, but i would think someone else on here could elaborate on the waves of feminism.
KissMeKate says: OK, I could see that. The man-hating part of feminism.
Baypuppy says: yeah, but i don’t think post parts of feminism today has anything to do with these “ultra extreames”, esp now that “gender inequality” is a “won” battle.
humboldt_honey says: We had a discussion about feminism a while back, and a lot of people here were quick to bash it.
Capture says: *Eerg* that is really awful! I’m not a “get on your soap box, bra burning feminist” or anything–but dang! hve respect for yourself and your gender! It’s all about global equality! I would get one of those shirts and put a big circle w/ a slash through it! *yikes*
Baypuppy says: huh, the only reason i know what fecundity is is because i have a background in family demography. who the hell else really uses that word?
surprisingly, these “anti feminist” shirts and the whatnot are, arguably, made possible by feminism. if you can make the CHOICE to stay home, damn, isn’t that a basic principle of feminism?
what are the big branches of militant/femanazis working today? the closest movement i can think of is maybe lesbian feminism, but that isn’t really where feminism is today. i think the “nostalgia” of the militant/lesbian feminist/separatists movements really tainted later waves of feminism (second, third waves, eco, post/forth, humanism) so that feminist is an inaccurate blanket term used in pop culture that has lost a lot of its “supposed” meaning (i can’t say original meaning, since that was like suffrage and (surprisingly) some AR stuffs). don’t get me started about issues between GLBT and feminism. boy howdy that was an issue!
but it might explains how the “say feminist perspective on the first day of class and they will drop like mad” theory i use in my large enrollment courses works i really don’t think most people have good grasp of what contemporary feminism is about.
Hi, Remember Lady Lydia has a jobless son-in-law, whom she has to support and finance while he fails his college studies? This guy apart from staying in Lady Lydia’s 120-sq-foot garage with his family of six, also writes articles for Ladies Against Feminism (LAF) site in his spare time.
May 31, 2003
- Buy chastity belts! Buy one get one free for your friend! Last evening we talked with a group of young folks about purity. We talked about how they can honor God before marriage by guarding their own purity and the purity of those they care about. As you know, the world has a totally opposite approach to purity.
- Satan prefers to catch them young! He doesn’t like oldies so much! Satan is particularly after the young because they represent a powerful potential for the Lord. If they ever attempt to live the Christian challenge, it will shake up society, so he aims at youth, to cripple them, for he knows their energy and strength can be great for the Lord.
- Similarities between the media, food, fashion industry and Satan? They all want them young! Look at the media–how they aim for the young. Look at the food industry and clothing and car industry: corrupt the young and cripple them so they can’t quite ever have victory over sin in their lives. The messages of music and movies distract the young from the plan God has for them.
- God created parents to mointor and select the potential mate for their offspring to ensure the non-extinction of the good, old family name! God has a brilliant plan of protection and heroism for the youth. He has provided a place for them– the home– and He set over them parents and the church to compass about them and provide the guidance they need to succeed in purity and in trusting in God for a mate. Satan wants them to get out of that place and into another place. He has an easier time forming a young girl into a skandalon outside of the home than in it.
- What if a guy flirts with your daughter or attempts to seduce her? Tie a millstone around his neck and push him off the pier! After that Hell will be a holiday! Jesus knew that the world was full of triggers and traps, but He said, “Woe to the person through whom they come;” if you wanted to show that person mercy, you’d tie a millstone around his neck and push him off the pier; because what he or she faces in judgment would make that trip to the bottom seem like a holiday.
- When natural attraction or flirtation between young boys and girls, becomes a stalking game – predators vs prey. But from an early age, young men and women begin practicing the art of enticing each other to sin. They become a living skandalon; they dress to entice, they talk to entice, they walk to entice.
The Battle of God Vs the Evil World as narrated by Aiden Bumpfries:
- God’s word tells a man to treat the younger women as sisters, in all purity; but the world trains him to use her.
- God’s word shows a woman how to adorn herself with godliness; but the world dresses her up to be a hook and a lure.
In which we find Aiden Bumpfries comparing the normal teenager to Female vampires:
It tells her she won’t find happiness and she won’t be loved unless she can get someone to take her bait. She sees girls on all sides of her, in the movies, in magazines, on TV, and they’re all morphing into skandalons and snaring as they please; in her heart she wants to hold onto what is right in God’s sight, but in her mind, she’s confused.
Why is dating a crime?
- because I didn’t date. I got the parents of an 18-yr-old to agree to my marrying her, before she got to see other men
- But Satan explicitly tells your son to date girls for pleasure and to switch from one to the other.
Why dating leads to divorces? Expert reasoning by dumb ass leader Mr Bumpfries:
While they’re young, Satan wants your sons and daughters to get used to going from partner to partner: date till passion fades, then dump. That way, when they’re older, all the training will be in place so that they treat marriage the same way; a gold ring on the ring finger won’t break the pattern. A guy turns 40, and he gets to trade in his car and his marriage for a newer model. Isn’t that what the pre-nuptual agreement is all about? It was created by and for people who had lots of practice dating, flaking and dumping and who can’t conceive of a covenant love which can’t be broken by a team of lawyers. As with so many of Satan’s ways, what seems okay and cute and fun now is sad and pathetic later on in life.
This is guy in his eagerness gets it terrible wrong. He says God will fulfill your needs and Satan is the one tempting girls with men – making it sound so yucky! Divine sex! Ugh!
God wants your children to love Him with their whole heart, mind, soul and body, because they have needs that only He can fulfill; He wants your daughters to look for their ultimate security and happiness in Him; He knows that only He can totally fulfill them. Satan wants your daughters to look for happiness in the arms of a man.
Sage advice from the father of four Bumpfries:
If your son is too cool and aloof to come to you with problems; he’s got problems; if your daughter is unconcerned, superior, and superhumanly stoical at 16, it is an act; just think of it as a free matinee.
Satan’s allies are dogs, according to the Bumpfries:
Satan doesn’t have to spend a lot of time pursuing the kids He’s already snatched and aborted; So who does he pursue? Where can he do the most damage? Doesn’t he send out the dogs after the ones who aren’t his yet, but who are within his reach? These are young men and women with all the potential in the world, but parts of their lives are sort of up for grabs right now.
Satan can also work life a sniffer-dog
Satan has the scent of their souls in his nostrils; and fence-sitters are easy prey; they’ve got corruptive influences in their lives; maybe they are out from under the protection of your authority; maybe their friends have less than the best motives; maybe its something that they are just experimenting with; maybe they think they are just playing with sin, and that when they let go of it; it will let go of them.
Satan the venerable grand-daddy, child-catcher from the local pound:
Whatever it is, they are exposed and vulnerable to a formidable enemy; he is more clever than they are; he is thousands of years older than they are; and over the years he has developed an extreme talent for catching kids.
Satan; The Excorsist
He rips them off of their God-given gifts, and then, after he uses them, he aborts their souls in one of a million different ways.
Satan: The International Playboy
And he doesn’t just hang out in New York City or LA. He gets around! And he doesn’t mind the country.
I spotted a UFO in Oregon! Now I spotted Satan pussy-footing around our garage! He’s also branded our neighbours with 666!
Satan gets around; I’ve got reason to believe that he’s been in Oregon recently. There are lives he’s ravaged that bear his signature misery.
In the world that Aiden Bumpfries lives in, parents tell kids to matter-of-factly accept the truth about date rapes and continue going on dates:
The world says that young men are going to use and that young women are going to get used, but date rape isn’t any easier on a girl just because it was a guy she had been seeing all summer, or because he apologized afterward and asked her if she was alright. The world tells us to accept as fact that these things are just going to happen to our sons and daughters, and that if we don’t like it too bad, because that’s just the way kids are these days.
There is a whole new generation of noble-hearted young men who love their sisters in Christ with all purity and respect. (I wonder how these men eventually get married given that they are gelded in Christ and have no carnal desires)
The To-Do list from Jobless Bumpfries:
And Fathers, give the gift of an unforgettable love story to your daughters; train them and encourage them to trust in the Lord for a husband (by obeying your commandments), and not to try to make it come true with the tricks of the world (like dating).
When you go home, make a commitment to yourself that you will do what ever it takes to guard the purity of the children God gave you. (Even if it means buying them chastity belts & chaining them up in the basement)
Make a commitment to be the man in your daughter’s lives; protect them from unqulified men. (So that your son-in-law has no role to play in her life or even get a job)
Fathers, make it clear to the world what your standards are; hey, put it up on the bulletin board at home; tell your friends, tell your co-workers; let the whole community understand the kind of standards your family has; let them in on it. (Put up flyers saying: Beware of patriarchs on your gates)
God can play Cupid, Eros and Pan for the mortals:
For anyone who is interested, before I go back to Florence I want to show you stories of young people who trusted in the LORD for their future husband or wife, and they have love stories that would make you want to laugh and cry at the same time; stories that are better than any romance novel you could hope to read. (I wonder if those who were interested got to see a porn movie or read Mills & Boon)
God is the author of romance; If you want to savor the seasons of the heart, let God write your love story; one chapter into it, and you won’t be able to put it down. Don’t let the world write your love story. (I wonder if God would skip the sex parts?)
Be men; open the door for ladies, pull out their chair, escort them to their car. (But never humour their fancies for equal pay or a hike)
When they make room for you to practice leadership, thank them. (Thank you for making space for my manhood?)
When they’re humble and gentle, encourage them. (If not try beating them over the head with a paddle till they oblige you)
If a man’s biggest temptation is to be passive, a woman’s biggest temptation is to take control. The man isn’t setting a course, so the woman grabs the steering wheel. (She should have just let both of them crash into a tree?)
You can encourage the men to be men by refusing to do the work of leading for them. (Please let me be a doormat)
Stevie Bumpfries, who is the only decently-earning member of the Lady Lydia family, is a little bit different from the traditional cast of the rest of his family. But only a wee bit different, mind you! He also wants a 10-children bearing, Victorian-woman cum husky-prairie-girl to greet him at home with pie and dumplings at the end of a hard day of labour! Typical of LAF manly-men!
Anyway this is the story of how Stevie Bumpfries told Lydia to get a job and stop goofing off at home. It can be read at The Unpleasant Times being run by Lollybeth Rosie Bumpfries.
The story goes:
Cousin Lee said several years ago, when he was living at the house, that Ma should go to McDonald’s and get a minimum wage job, and hoist the old family up a bit more. “Who would make your lunch, clean your room, clean the bathrooms, do your laundry, find your hunting accessories and power bait, iron your shirts, and make you dinner when you got home?” asked Ma.
“Well, you would!” replied Cousin Lee.
“After working all day on my feet at McDonald’s?”
Ma rolled her eyes. There went her son’s marriage prospects– no woman would put up with such slavish treatment! (By the way Stevie Bumpfries is still not married. Interested heiresses with immodest fortunes can apply) But instead she replied “No, I’ll be coming home and playing video games all evening” (which happened to be Cousin Lee’s favorite thing to do after work).
I think the story would be more effective if it read:
Stevie Bumpfries: Why can’t you get a job, mom, instead of lazing around the job? How about a minimum wage job at McDonald’s? Hoist the family a bit?
Lady Lydia: “Who would make your lunch, clean your room, clean the bathrooms, do your laundry, find your hunting accessories and power bait, iron your shirts, and make you dinner when you got home?”
Stevie Bumpfries:“Well, you would!”
Lady Lydia: “After working all day on my feet at McDonald’s?”
Lady Lydia: “No, I’ll be coming home and playing video games all evening”
It says things like “Armed with a Bible, an Edwardian Apron Pattern and the booklet of Christian Modesty, the LAF are fighting for, or at least demurely crafting, a version of femaleness that probably only existed in pre-twentieth century romantic fiction.”
“LAF’s website, which was no doubt embroidered one day when columnist Mrs. Stanley Sherman’s husband was calling on parishioners and her bairns were playing impetuous, but Godly, games, is adorned with the kind of treacly images that suggests it could be a parody.
A modest perusal of How to Get Back Home and Responsible Manhood reveals, however, that these ladies aren’t taking the piss.
Unsurprisingly, there are no pictures from olden times of over-worked females in factories, servants cleaning day and night for a pittance or destitute wives surrounded by hungry and grubby kids.
Like much of the retrogressive advice aimed at women, LAF is pure bourgeois fantasy and could be used as evidence that watching too many BBC costume dramas addles the brain.
It’s also unadulterated hogwash; imagine a site called Negroes Opposed to the Civil Rights Movement (NOCRM), with sections devoted to appropriate slave wear and tips on how to behave around your owner.
NOCRM recommends silver chains and a permanently bowed head so he knows who’s boss.”
I just love the line: “LAF is proof that too many BBC costume dramas addles the brain.”